Rolls reflects on the dissension on some of the Natalee Holloway boards.
Thu Mar 29, 2007
I can't say I'm surprised. If you try to live a contradiction it's bound to catch up with you sooner or later.
So it seems the troubles that have been brewing away under the surface at BFN have finally boiled over.
FoB has a thread containing the bloodletting that has been going on over at Easywriter's blog while BFN has been down. And it's not a pretty sight or site.
As far as I can work out, in the midst of everybody calling everybody else "bashers" and "haters", the venom appears to be directed inward toward fellow members of HMI for a change, and not at J2K, Aruba, or even other blogs.
It seems that BFN is associated with Robin Holloway, while SM is associated with Beth Twitty, and there is deep-seated antipathy between these two women and their respective cheer squads. None of them actually give a rat's arse what actually happened to Natalee any more.
The details of who did what to whom are of no importance outside their cesspit, but there are a few observations on the carnage that are worth repeating, so I've compiled a little 'best of' (and apologise for losing track of some of the attributions, but you can still find them at FoB if scatology is your thang).
An entire site drowned in its own sewage. A poor missing girl used again to advance personal agendas.
Everything that has taken place at BFN is a total and complete sham in the name of helping. I am like alot of others. The sooner BFN shuts down the better. Talk about dysfunctional.
To all of those idiots at BFN, this was bound to happened to you all sooner or later, no one on the net likes any of you. So I guess that's why you all stick together. I'm surprised that there hasn't been an expose` on you morons a longtime ago.
utah Posted (FoB): Thu Mar 29th, 2007 02:08 am
The Natalee Holloway disppearance has been a magnet it seems for:
Religious Kooks, Frauds, Liars, Dimwits, Xenophobes, and Jingoists.
Frequently, these ingredients are brewed together on Natalee 'support' blogs such as BFN, into a wretched and sanctimonious goulash of 'Ugly Americanism'.
Forums like FOB can only sit back an observe this insanity in action. All you can do is laugh at it, and shake your head. Some of these folks at BFN ( who are clearly lost causes ) aren't capable of reasoned thought. Their minds are poisoned beyond repair.
'Medleyrelay' (FoB) contrasts the civil disagreements on what might be called neutral or pro-J2K blogs with HMI blogs, concluding;
So, on the other hand why in the world would all BFNers not get along too? What they heck to they have to argue about? They all sit there and spout their theories of guilt, if you are on the fence or pro J2k you are quickly banned (...when) they should all be totally in sinc and having a love fest everyday. Makes no sense to me!!!
'Utah' (FoB) goes on to make a number of good points in a long post, including;
I'm not prepared to trample over their right to be 'presumed innocent' simply because the easy answer is that the 3 are responsible for her disappearance
But, just because there are questions, is no reason to 'create' answers out of thin air. Sometimes questions can't be answered,
Those attacks reek of a type of 'Ugly Americanism' that bristles Non-American's such as myself, and for that reason...I feel compelled to maintain my disdain of such behaviour. I don't view all Americans as being Ugly Americans. But, clearly 'Ugly-Americanism' rooted in xenophobia and jingoism poisons the minds of many folks who post on some Natalee Holloway related blogs.
The folks at Scared Monkkkeys worship at the Church of the Poisoned Mind, home of the Virgin Natalee and Jesus of Xenophobia.
All this BS from a site that seems to be constantly in PRAYERS, their sig lines with prayer quotes and they fight like maniacs, basically break almost all the commandments, and call themselves christians.
You'll find more at;
medleyrelay asks (FoB);
So I would love for someone to come on here and explain why they all dont get along over there???
My two cents worth.
It has always been a curiosity that Communists, Christians, and Muslims of differing stripe, M-L v Trots, Prottos v Micks, Sunnis v Shia, seem to hate their fellow travellers with much more murderous intensity than *between* such groups.
Here I think the clue is also doctrinal purity and a paranoid fear of diversity - "I'm more pro-Natalee than you are!". You can't be friends with someone who is paranoid because ultimately everyone, even their nearest and dearest, are The Enemy and out to get them.
When I write that Beth has lied her face off I am an external "enemy" of HMI, but when Ramm expresses even mild skepticism about Beth's truthfulness from within HMI he is a traitor in their midst, a fifth-columnist who has crept in to the sanctum sanctorum under their guard and to be rooted out as a rotten apple in the name (and reinforcement) of their own idiological purity.
In that way the value of being a member of the in-crowd is reinforced - something very typical of cults.
But in blogs such as RU, FoB, and Scrux quite a different dynamic of disagreement between posters has evolved. Some think she is alive, others sure she is dead; some think Joran is suspect, others sure he isn't (while trolls like Wabbi don't think at all).
But for the most part it seems the posters to these blogs don't feel THREATENED by differing opinions; that, like me, they wouldn't be happy to be proven wrong, but their personal worlds wouldn't collapse on account of it.
If we conduct a mind-experiment where tomorrow a) Joran confesses to killing Natalee, or b) where Natalee turns up alive and well, we could ask what would be the general reaction of pro-Joran posters compared to pro-Family posters - which group would be the more upset, feel more betrayed?
My own reaction to (a) would be to shrug, then ask myself some hard questions about how I could have so seriously mis-interepreted the information before me; and in case (b) I'd be inclined to scold her, then take her out to dinner to celebrate her safe return. But I would also be fearful that some fanatical HMI nutjob like Deech or Zoltan would be out to kill her for shattering their illusions.
So my short answer to medleyrelay's question is that HMI have a huge personal investment in the case, flowing from the trust they invest in authority figures such as TV's talking heads being a source of dependable truth. Non-HMI seem to be more skeptical, and more personally self-sufficient.
To take a.incanada's point about "Christians"; the same paradox can be seen in Creationism/ID where theologians recognise the danger in seeking proof of God as undermining the mystery of faith, and that finding such proof would reduce God to the mundane. Just as these necrophilic "Christians" turned me into an atheist, so the fanatics of HMI will make people doubt Joran's guilt.
In that, I have faith.
Sun Apr 01, 2007
iwabwu Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:56 pm
the fact of the matter is as seen by what happened in the Natalee Holloway case is that the police would hush up the story for fear of hurting their tourism.
Where is their protests to one of the single most bungled events in Aruba that has cost them dearly in tourism and their reputation around the world?
Where is Aruba’s discontent? Why do they not want “Justice for Natalee” that would also provide an image change for Aruba?
but they will not protest when a tourist like Natalee Holloway goes missing and they aftermath of event damages the Aruban economy?
What I wrote appears to come from the news, PV's of witnesses/suspects, and others in the case.
Reading this codswallop I can only conclude that it is you that is smoking crack Wabbi. I've met drunks and junkies that make more sense.
You are several times more likely to become a victim of murder or rape in Florida than Aruba. The so called "War on Drugs" pushed on the rest of the world by the US has not only been lost, it has actually made the drug situation very much WORSE. Seven million in US prisons, mostly black, mostly for drugs, and no end in sight.
And how many THOUSAND children die each year in the US from gunshot?
Lady, it's a joke that someone who lives in the US is
looking down their nose at other countries because of drug problems.
Since you quote VF, here's another;
"...Beth insists, never drank... ...She is emphatic about this." - Vanity Fair Jan 2006, page 139
And since you quote unsigned PV's, I'll point out that Lee Broughton's SIGNED FBI302 statement contradicts her later statements on AMW about going directly to bed after C&C's.
She is, in a word, a LIAR.
Now why would Lee lie about this? Why was her being out and about in the area at the time seen as significant enough to "hush up"? What did Lee witness that gave her "flashbacks" for months afterward?
Far too many are still "stuck on perp" and fail to recognise the very real possibility that Natalee drowned, either by accident or even suicide, and that Natalee herself could just as easily be the "perp".